Wade and Kevin follow up last week’s discussion of the controversial The Birth of a Nation with another film that courts controversy in a different way. Ava Duvernay’s Netflix documentary 13th digs deep into a provocative question: Is the modern American prison system just the latest iteration of Jim Crow laws? Then the guys finally get to sit down and talk about one of their most anticipated movies of the fall: Kelly Reichardt’s Certain Women. Does Reichardt’s trio of vignettes about women in small-town Montana live up to expectations?

Listen to Seeing and Believing Episode 82:

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