In this podcast, host Nick Rynerson talks to writer Joel Heng Hartse, author of ‘Sects, Love, and Rock n’ Roll’, about Sufjan Steven’s album ‘Carrie & Lowell’, enjoying music for music’s sake, and how not to listen to the new Sufjan album.

Cray Allred is a wandering English major who works in technical writing by day. By night, Cray is a freelance writer and podcast producer for outlets covering sports, faith, and music. He co-founded Sunday Oldskool, a podcast dedicated to helping Christians better understand and engage the realm of hip hop. He spends the rest of his time feeling undeserving of his beautiful wife and daughters, being loved and fed at his church, and vicariously balling via an over-consumption of hoops and hip hop.
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