Seeing & Believing kicks off September by sitting down with Corin Hardy, director of the new horror film The Nun. Kevin talks with the English filmmaker about telling stories about religious communities and the mysteries of the spiritual. Then Wade and Kevin return to a television series they’ve been quite enthusiastic about in the past, AMC’s Better Call Saul. As the show enters the fourth season (and what appears to be a run up to a conclusion), the guys discuss whether the show holds up and how the show’s moral vision is revealing itself in these latest episodes.

Music interlude by Poolside, “Which Way to Paradise.” Used under Creative Commons license 3.0.

Theme music by Alexander Osborn and Lindsey Mysse. Used under Creative Commons license 3.0.